primeideal: Lan and Moiraine from "Wheel of Time" TV (lan mandragoran)
This is one of those "things that have been tumbling around in my mind for a long time but never bother to write up." However, I think it's going to be a factor when I review the book I'm currently reading, and it's sufficiently noteworthy IMO to stand alone.

When it comes to individuals, there are a couple pop psychology factoids that get tossed around to the effect of "it takes X positive comments to outweigh one negative comment," where X is some number greater than one. Some of these are "in practice, we found that well-performing teams/relationships feature more positive than negative feedback," and others are "in theory, this is how you should do it" (which doesn't always work). I'm not sure how rigorous this research is, but it seems intuitively plausible that, when presented with a mix of positive and negative feedback, some people tend to focus on the negative and ignore the positive, so their overall emotional reaction will tilt negative, even if the mix of inputs was about 50/50.

Okay, that's about individuals, and that's pretty well-known. To me, however, there seems to be a corollary that follows from this, but that I haven't heard other people discuss in these terms.

Pretty much any group has good and bad aspects to its history. Suppose you have group X of people, and you list some of the good things and bad things that the X have done over the years, and that ratio skews about 50/50. Suppose that some of the people you're talking to are also members of group X. They may not necessarily identify as X, or think about being X a lot, but if you're giving a talk specifically about the history of X, that identity is likely to become much more salient. The above finding suggests, to me, that the emotional takeaway from the X in the audience is going to be negative.

That doesn't mean you shouldn't do it; whatever reasons you had for giving a talk about the history of X in the first place might be good ones, and the emotional state of your audience might not be very important. Or, depending on your goal, making them upset might be a feature, not a bug. But it's something you should expect!

Okay, but I've made an important hypothesis here; I assumed that the good things and bad things in the history of X are about 50/50. Is that fair? Surely, there are some groups somewhere in space and time whose contributions to human history have been much worse than 50/50. There have probably been some whose contributions have been better, as well. Let's grant for argument that there was a society Y, whose good deeds outweighed their bad deeds by a significant factor like 5-to-1. If I talk about the history of Y, will the Y in the audience come away feeling generally happy about their Y identity?

No, they won't, because there won't be any Y in the audience. Because the general pattern in history is that the people from society Y get slaughtered by the people from society X, who live to write the history books.

primeideal: Lan and Moiraine from "Wheel of Time" TV (moiraine damodred)
Another of the "thoughts I've been turning over in my head for a while but wanted to put down in one place":

Some time ago (I'm thinking on the order of magnitude of, like, decades here, not millennia), politics was more of a niche business; for an average person, even an intelligent person, it wasn't easy to get information and make up your mind about the issues that people were discussing in the capital. "Should we raise the tariffs on X? Should we increase the budget of Y?" Eh...who knows, that's complicated and far away. But, you do have a local politician who represents your area to the broader country as a whole, and hopefully that person is somewhat decent and tries to do a good job representing his (usually his, could be her) constituents. Representative Smith stands for us and brings jobs to our district and solves our casework for us...I'm gonna trust that he knows what he's talking about, when it comes to X.

To some extent, I suspect that may have been true even for relationships that weren't explicitly political as well. I don't know a whole lot about Y, but, my neighbor Katie has always struck me as being a responsible, level-headed person, and she knows a lot about Y; if I wanted to learn more, I could ask her opinion, and I would be inclined to put weight in what she thinks.

Now, people have a lot more access to information, and can figure out where they stand without having to defer to a local politician. This makes them more informed when they cast their votes. It's not enough to say "I like Smith because he voices the concerns of our district"--sure, but anyone could do that. I want to vote for Jones over Smith because Jones' opinions, on topics like X, Y, and Z, are closer to mine. In many ways, this is good, because it allows voters to take a more direct role in expressing their beliefs and priorities. However, it also can lead to more polarization and gridlock than in the past. (And, obviously, all the problems that come up with the limitations of a two-party system, in that just because I agree with Jones on 80% of the issues doesn't mean I support his platform for the other 20%.)

And, again, I suspect there is something similar happening in non-political relationships. I don't ask Katie about Y because I value her opinion; I ask her about Y because I already know how I feel about Y, very strongly, and if she doesn't have the right answer, I don't want to be her friend. Now, it's fine if other people do the same to me--I just wish that they'd skip ahead to the litmus test part so we don't have to waste time on fake friendship before the inevitable disappointment!

(I may be off-base here because I wasn't around back in "the day" that this refers to; speculation only.)
primeideal: Lando Calrissian from Star Wars (lando calrissian)
Courage in situations where it is unwarranted is known as "heroism." Serenity in situations where it is unwarranted is known as "complacency." Corollaries are left as an exercise to the reader.

[Edit from the future: there was a "Laws of the Universe III" posted in 2022, but I locked it to just myself because I'm stealing some of that language/metaphor to put in a project that, if it was ever published, would be under a different name. So the laws are not in numerical order.]
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As the size of your captive audience increases, the importance of your message also needs to increase, if sublinearly.

Example: if you are in a car with three friends on a roadtrip, and they've all agreed to go with you knowing that you're a self-absorbed goofball, you can talk at length about something that might not be very interesting. You should be more courteous towards them, because there are three of them, than you would be with only one person, but not necessarily three times more so.

However, if your "talent" at a "talent show" is rambling on at length about a process you endured in the hopes that it will be edifying information to the 60 assembled guests, you also need to be more respectful of their time than you are on the car trip, because there are 60 of them and each one is trapped there. You don't need to be twenty times more respectful, but...scale upwards, not downwards.
primeideal: Wooden chessboard. Text: "You may see all kinds of human emotion here. I see nothing other than a simple board game." (chess musical)
#1: Let c be a constant slightly less than 1, such that an (introverted) person gets in c/2 of the conversation in a conversation of 2 people. If the group grows to size n, that person will get less than c/n of the conversation in the larger group.

#2: As the number of people at dinner goes towards infinity, so does the total time needed to find seating, socialize, and do the entire process.

These two together explain why I was fairly drained after the weekend and was in introvert mode yesterday. (I was going to post this then, but not only were my migraines screwing around, my computer failed to recognize wifi for some reason. Luckily it was just a driver issue and it got fixed quickly. Say what you will for the ethics of the software company, every interaction I've had with their store workers has been unfailingly positive and usually helpful.)

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